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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:35 pm 
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I've just found another very similar one:

liverpoolfc.tv wrote:
A very gracious in defeat AC Milan star Kaka has said that Liverpool should be allowed to defend their Champions League crown next season.


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"...the conclave is one of the elaborately shrouded in secrecy proceedings of the modern world"

well as a native speaker it sounds right to me. Though it would be a lot clearer if the sentence were: The conclave is one of the proceedings of the modern world that is elaborately shrouded in secrecy. But the quote (in my opinion) sounds ok. Personally, seeing hyphens would make the sentence appear funny.
Or: inserting 'most' between the and elaborately would also make the sentence a little clearer.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:39 pm 
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or rather elaborately-shrouded-in-secrecy :)


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Well, you know that most of the time native speakers don't speak their own language properly ;)

As far as I know, you can't use it like this. This sentence look very difficult to properly paraphrase because both the noun and the adjective has a PP adjunct. On the spot, the best idea I have is to turn the AP into a sort of "mock-adjective" by connecting it with hyphens: shrouded-in-secrecy. This is, of course, rather informal (to me, the original sentence seems so as well, though).

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:06 pm 
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Although I haven't done any syntax courses yet, I think the following sentence (found on http://www.cnn.com) is quite interesting (and maybe surprising):

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... the conclave is one of the elaborately shrouded in secrecy proceedings of the modern world.


I mean, can you use 'elaborately shrouded in secrecy' this way, as an adjectival phrase (or what) in front of a noun (NP)? It seems you can as the above sentence was produced by a native speaker.


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