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 Post subject: Re: yod-dropping
PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:25 pm 
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Thanks, I also found it in a number of dictionaries, so there is nothing special about plumber and plumbing then.

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 Post subject: Re: yod-dropping
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:59 pm 
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It was bugging me, so I checked: there is a verb "plumb"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/plumb

v. plumbed, plumb·ing, plumbs
v.tr.
1. To determine the depth of with a plumb; sound.
2. To test the verticality or alignment of with a plumb.
3. To straighten or make perpendicular: plumb up the wall.
4. To examine closely or deeply; probe: "Shallow ideas are plumbed and discarded" Gilbert Highet.
5. To seal with lead.
v.intr.
To work as a plumber


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 Post subject: Re: yod-dropping
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:43 pm 
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szigetva wrote:
Dear Phonology Group,
I have checked Wells (1990) as well as Kenyon and Knott (1953) for the AmE pronunciation of bureau. Both have [ˈbjʊroʊ], that is, neither make any mention of the possibility of a yodless pronunciation. I win. :lol:


I guess we must have heard in some odd ghetto accent in a movie then :)


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 Post subject: Re: yod-dropping
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Dear Phonology Group,
I have checked Wells (1990) as well as Kenyon and Knott (1953) for the AmE pronunciation of bureau. Both have [ˈbjʊroʊ], that is, neither make any mention of the possibility of a yodless pronunciation. I win. :lol:

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 Post subject: yod-dropping
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:09 am 
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Szabados Péter wrote:
Néhány rövid kérdés.

1. In AmE t, d, n után Yod Dropping in stress syll.. De valamiért ebbe a csapatba került a th (voiceless), legalábbis az órai jegyzetemben. Tudna egy-egy példát írni, amikor a th után állhat ez is az is?

2. A Yule bekerült a j-less -be, mert ott a /j/ hang maga az Y, az u meg u maradt /u:/?

3. A venue abba a társaságba tartozik, mint a module, menu, value, mert "in unstressed syll. yod dropping is not permitted, /j/ must be retained"

4. "word stress patterns" lesz a ZH-ban?

5. Az átírós háziban (768 karakter) a szó hangsúlyt kell jelölni, úgy, ahogy a szótárban, ugye?
pl. ,self-po'sessed

Gondolom a mondathangsúly nem kell...
  1. thuja, enthusiasm
  2. igen
  3. igen (hangsúlytalan szótagban csak [ʧ ʤ ʃ ʒ] után kötelező a jod-törlés
  4. enyhén fogok erről kérdezni
  5. nem, a mondat hangsúlyait, alapvetően ez egybeesik a szavak szótári hangsúlyaival, de ha sok hangsúlyos szótag torlódik, vagy egy szakaszon nincs hangsúly (mert csak funkciószavak állnak ott), akkor módosul

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