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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:39 pm 
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You're right, I don't really know my student representatives and they don't know me either. This is our problem.

But I also feel disappointed because I've read over some of the rules and my impression is that some people enjoy being able to impose their own little rules on a huge community without considering others' interests. The best rules, in my view, evolve and are not written by professor-turned-lawmakers.

I also feel that there should really be a difference between hard-working and lazy students. I have nothing against lazy people, I just don't want them to hinder hard workers' academic lives, which they will if they fill up the best courses. It's ridiculous that we don't have honours programs so those who actually study could get in a better position.

I know none of this is your fault, but I'm really scared seeing these changes. I will try to encourage students to go to HOK and complain to make sure they make our voice heard--even though I tried this before and noone usually cares. There's so many of us students that they can do wathever they want with us because the majority just doesn't care. Shame on them.


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These rules were agreed on by student representatives. Did you vote for them? Will you do so this time?

Mind you the new regulations are not yet accepted. The Faculty Council will vote on 4 May.

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 Post subject: New course taking procedure--could it get any WORSE??
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:04 pm 
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That document leaves us with this:

Ftv. 95. § (1) Az oktatói munkakörben foglalkoztatottat megilleti az a jog, hogy
d) a szervezeti és működési szabályzatban meghatározottak szerint megválassza a hallgatókat, (…).



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(1) Az ETR-ben kurzusra jelentkező hallgatók között rangsorolás történik. A rangsorolás során a hallgatók az alábbi szempontrendszer szerint kapnak pontszámokat:

a) a szakos tanulmányaikat megkezdő hallgatók, valamint azok, akik a kurzust felvették az előzetes kurzusfelvétel során; 100

b) az alábbi pontok közül a hallgatók azt kapják, amelyik a legmagasabb:
− azok a hallgatók, akik számára a kurzussal teljesíthető tanegység kötelező; 80
− azok a hallgatók, akik számára a kurzussal teljesíthető tanegység kötelezően választható; 70
− azok a hallgatók, akik számára a kurzussal teljesíthető tanegység nem kötelező, de az alapszak valamelyik szakirányán kötelező vagy kötelezően választható; 60

c) azok a hallgatók, akik a kurzust a mintaterv szerint kívánják felvenni A: 10
B: 100

d) esti vagy levelező tagozatos vagy másoddiplomás hallgatók (több szak együttes végzése esetén függetlenül attól, hogy melyik aktív szakjuk kurzusáról van szó) 20

e) minden hallgató annyi pont tízszeresét, amennyi aktív szakja van az egyetemen

f) minden hallgató annyi pont ötszörösét, amennyi a tíz és a szakjának képzési idejéből hátralévő félévek számának különbsége;
azok a hallgatók, akik szakjuk képzési idejét túllépték; max. 50


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g) a hallgató szakjaihoz nem kötődő kurzus felvétele esetén a legrégebben elkezdett szakjának megfelelő, f) pontban meghatározott pontszámot,




(2) Ha a rangsorolás szerint a kurzusra több azonos pontszámmal rendelkező hallgató is bekerülne, és ez több mint a kurzusra megállapított létszámkeret, akkor az azonos pontszámú hallgatók között az ETR az alábbi feltételek figyelembevételével egy „véletlen” számot képezve sorrendet állít fel.
a) a szám kizárólag a hallgató EHA kódjától, a képzési időszaktól és a kurzuskódtól függhet;
b) ha a hallgató lejelentkezik egy kurzusról és később újra felveszi, akkor ugyanazt a pontszámot kapja;
c) minden hallgatónak a véletlen számok által kialakult sorrendben elfoglalt helyének várható értéke azonos legyen.
(3) Amennyiben a technikai feltételek adottak, a kurzus meghirdetője a kurzusfelvételi időszak alatt a maximális létszámot az eredeti létszám legfeljebb 115%-ra növelheti.
(4) Amennyiben a kurzus meghirdetője a kurzust felvevők számára sajátos követelményeket állapít meg, köteles a félév harmadik napjáig az ETR-ben közzétenni, hogy a jelentkezők közül kik nyertek felvételt a kurzusra. A névsorban nem szerepelhet a kurzus maximális létszámánál több hallgató.



I have to admit I don't like this. I'm fed up with the fact that noone really gives a damn if your GPA/"average" is 2.0 or 5.0, you're fate is decided by the random number ETR generates from your EHA code. I know preregistration didn't really solve this either, but at least there the students who didn't care at all didn't take the time to preregister so you had an advantage if you cared. If the university did appreciate hard work and devotion, it would come up with a better system. This one will make it impossible to create a good schedule and must have been created by a nice combination of ignorance and incompetence.

Sorry for the strong words but I have a headache imagining my student life from next term on...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:32 pm 
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There will be no preregistration on seas3. I will not be director of studies in September 8) , I do not know who will and how s/he wishes to organize this. ETR is supposed to do the job. The issue of ranking is discussed in the new TVSz, which you can find here:

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 Post subject: Prereg for next term?
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Is there going to be a preregistration for next term? I know it was going to be substituted by ETR, but I have serious doubts about the ability of that system to cope with such a sophisticated problem (upper v. lower years, fair chances to take a seminar etc.). What does ELTE want? What is SEAS going to do?

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Course descriptions do not override codes. :) If the course is flooded the teacher has to cope with it. (It should have been advertised as an ANN-361 and an ANN-362 course perhaps.)

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Yes I know, however, in the catalogue it is said that it will consist of a lecture and a seminar. However, the seminar can still be a workshop-like lecture, so I was just wondering what will happen if for example 30 students will take that course. That's all. THX anyway :) .

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ANN-363 is a lecture+exam code, not a seminar code.

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I run into a problem while planning my prereg. I would like to take ANN-363.04, however, even though a part of it is a seminar there is no prereg for it. I know, that generally it runs as a "kollokvium" but still, won't there be too much people on the "seminar" part?

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http://seas3.elte.hu/lectures_on_week_1.html

Being filled up as answers arrive.

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Thanks a lot!


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Yes, and this time I will do it sooner.

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Deat Mr Szigetva, are you planning to do again some research about the first week's lectures?


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If there are limits in the ETR, we tell them what the limits are. And we never tell them.

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 Post subject: Re: prereg, ETR
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:20 am 
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dzsuzsi wrote:
Yes, I thought there was a limit in the ETR. This means that there is no limit, and I can just register and that's it? That would really help a lot, and cause less stress for me! :)


wether there is a limit or not, the teacher decides.

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